This article answers common questions about how to cure and prevent pec deck and "chest fly elbow pain" (inner elbow pain during or after chest flys). Continue to the article.
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If you experience elbow pain when lifting, especially during or after chest flys, you've come to the right place. For years, I struggled with elbow problems during chest fly exercises, including dumbbell fly, cable fly, and machine fly (aka pec deck machine). I fixed my elbow pain. I will show you how to do the same. Let's begin!
Written by: Nurudeen Tijani
Member: American Chronic Pain Asso., Personal Trainer, NPC Physique Athlete, Bodybuilder, Yoga Instructor, Wellness Coach
1. Why does my elbow hurt during chest fly (dumbbell, cable, and machine fly)?
2. Why does my elbow hurt after doing chest fly?
3. Why am I experiencing pain on the inside part of my elbow while doing chest fly?
4. Why do I suddenly have (feel) elbow pain during chest fly without apparent cause?
5. What causes pain in the elbow during chest fly?
6. Are chest flys bad for the elbows?
7. Can chest flys cause elbow pain?
8. Can chest flys cause elbow damage?
9. Can you hurt your elbow doing machine fly, cable fly, or dumbbell fly?
10. Can I still do chest fly with elbow pain?
11. Which variation of chest fly is better to avoid elbow pain: dumbbell fly, cable fly, or machine fly?
12. What are some alternative exercises to chest fly when experiencing elbow pain?
14. How do I perform chest fly without elbow pain?
16. How can I quickly relieve elbow pain from chest fly? (5-Minute Exercise)
17. How can I avoid and prevent elbow pain during chest fly?
Elbow pain during the pec deck machine or chest fly exercise can occur for several reasons, including: restricted triceps and forearm muscles, inadequate warm-up of the forearm muscles before exercising, lifting weights that are too heavy (e.g., heavy chest fly), poor form or lifting technique during flys, and a sudden increase in training volume. Any of these factors, individually or combined, can cause your elbow to hurt during chest flys. However, for most weight lifters, the primary cause is restricted (shortened, tight and tense) triceps and forearm muscles.
To cure or prevent elbow pain during flys, it is crucial to prioritize proper form, gradually increase weights, and, most importantly, maintain pliable triceps and forearm muscles through self-myofascial release (SMR) exercises. These exercises can instantly relieve the restrictions in the muscles and minimize the risk of injury, overuse, and inflammation.
"Pull-exercises" such as the chest fly can trigger or aggravate elbow pain because the exercise involves the elbow tendons. The repetitive strain of the elbow tendons during flys can inflame the tendons. When the elbow tendons become inflamed, it causes acute elbow pain after the workout - this is what causes your elbow to hurt after doing chest flys.
Acute elbow pain is an inflammatory pain experienced during or immediately after working out. In this case, acute elbow pain includes:
If you experience pain on the inside part (or back) of your elbow while doing chest fly, the cause is usually a combination of the following factors: 1) restricted triceps and forearm muscles, and 2) an inflamed triceps tendon and/or elbow tendon. During chest flys, the forearm flexors and triceps muscles contract, which can pull and put tension on the inner elbow tendon as well as the triceps tendon, leading to pain in those areas.
The forearm flexor muscles can overstretch and inflame the tendon on the inside part of the elbow, causing inner elbow pain (also known as golfer's elbow). The triceps muscle can overstretch and inflame the triceps tendon at the back of the elbow, causing posterior elbow pain (also known as triceps tendinitis or lifter's elbow).
Inner and posterior elbow pain can be chronic (develop over time) or acute (occur suddenly from overloading the elbow). Acute pain is an inflammatory pain experienced during or immediately after exercise. In this case, experiencing inner or posterior elbow pain while doing flys is a sign of acute elbow pain.
Check out this 2023 video of Nurudeen performing machine flys during a chest and back workout in the gym. Machine flys are a variation of the chest fly exercise. This highly effective exercise targets the chest (pectoral) muscles, helping to strengthen and tone them while building a bigger chest. Chest flys are a versatile exercise that can be modified to suit different fitness levels and goals. Whether using a machine, dumbbell, resistance band, or cable machine, you can vary the weights, the angle of your arm, and the speed of your reps to make the exercise more challenging or easier. Machine fly is a "pull-exercise" and can cause inner elbow pain during or after the exercise.
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The conditions that lead to elbow pain during chest flys are gradual and cumulative. Over time, the forearm muscles and triceps muscle can become restricted, meaning they become shortened and inelastic through repetitive use. This process of muscle restriction can take months or even years to develop.
When the triceps and forearm muscles become chronically restricted, a routine activity, whether at home or work (such as carrying a bag of groceries or holding or gripping something tightly), or at the gym (such as a routine dumbbell chest fly workout), can suddenly trigger elbow pain without an apparent cause. Unfortunately, most people are unaware that their forearm or triceps muscles are restricted until a routine activity unexpectedly triggers elbow pain.
When you perform an exercise involving the arm, such as chest fly, the triceps and forearm muscles contract. Over time, as you exercise, the forearm flexor and triceps muscles become tighter and shorter. Shortened triceps and forearm muscles can pull and put tension on the elbow and triceps tendon, which reduces the tendons' elasticity. As a result, the tendons become overloaded and inflamed, causing elbow pain during flys and other elbow-involved exercises.
The pain usually occurs on the inside part of the elbow (golfer's elbow), but can also occur at the back of the elbow (triceps tendonitis). The elbow tendons that cause elbow pain during chest fly include the medial elbow tendon (inner elbow tendon) and triceps brachii tendon (posterior elbow tendon).
For a detailed article on the root causes of elbow pain from lifting weights, including the types of elbow tendonitis (tennis elbow, golfer's elbow, triceps tendonitis), elbow bursitis, chronic vs. acute elbow pain, and the fastest way to cure elbow pain, check out this complete guide: how to get rid of elbow pain from lifting.
Important: Apart from musculoskeletal injuries (muscle and tendon-related pain), other medical conditions can contribute to elbow pain during chest fly. These include nerve entrapment and compression, bone fractures and dislocations, and arthritis, which causes joint inflammation, pain, and stiffness. If your condition is medically related, it's important to consult your healthcare provider to ensure there are no structural issues with your elbow.
A side-by-side comparison photo of the triceps and forearm flexor muscles. Left photo: Illustration of the shoulder joint, scapula, arm bone, and triceps brachii muscle and tendon. Right photo: Illustration of the forearm flexor muscles and tendon. When these muscles groups become shortened, they cause posterior and inner elbow pain during chest fly. The "X" indicated on each photo is where trigger points in the forearm flexors and triceps muscle tend to occur. Trigger points, also known as muscle knots, are small, hyperirritable spots within a muscle. They cause pain and tenderness and can develop due to muscle overuse, stress, or injury. Image source: Google
When performed with good technique, chest flys (dumbbell fly, cable fly, machine fly, and resistance band fly) are not bad for the elbows. However, performing flys without proper warm-up, using too much resistance, or suddenly increasing training volume can overload the elbow and triceps tendons, leading to elbow tendonitis and pain.
When performed with proper technique, chest fly do not cause elbow pain. However, they can trigger or aggravate elbow tendonitis, elbow pain, forearm pain, and wrist pain. Pull-exercises like the chest fly engage the forearm muscles and elbow tendons. During flys, the forearm muscles can become overloaded. This can lead to overstretched, strained, and inflamed elbow tendons, resulting in acute sharp pain or worsening chronic dull pain.
Check out this 2023 video of Nurudeen performing incline dumbbell fly during a chest and back workout in the gym. Dumbbell fly is a variation of the chest fly exercise. Unlike the cable fly, which focuses on building definition in the inner chest, the dumbbell fly is highly effective at building muscle mass and chest strength. By using dumbbells instead of a machine (pec deck), you can engage your stabilizer muscles and work on balancing the weights, which can help improve your overall strength and coordination. However, because dumbbell fly is a "pull-exercise," it can cause inner elbow pain during or after the exercise.
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When performed with proper technique, chest flys do not cause elbow damage. However, individuals who already have elbow tendonitis may experience an exacerbation of chronic pain or the development of acute elbow pain, potentially leading to elbow tendinosis.
Tendinosis is a condition characterized by the degeneration of tendon collagen due to repetitive stress and chronic injury, which can result in the loss of strength in the tendon and may even lead to tendon tear or rupture. Therefore, performing flys with pre-existing elbow tendonitis or triceps tendonitis (i.e., inflammatory tendon pain) can increase the risk of developing elbow tendinosis and potentially cause damage to the elbows.
Performing machine, cable or dumbbell fly with proper technique is safe and will not cause injury to the elbow. However, there are several factors that can increase the risk of elbow pain and injury, including insufficient warm-up and stretching of the triceps, forearm muscles, elbow tendons, and triceps tendon, using too much resistance, using bad form or technique, sudden increases in training volume, and performing flys while experiencing ongoing elbow or triceps tendonitis.
Whether or not you can still do chest flys with elbow pain depends on the severity of the pain. If it's mild, you can try using short-term pain relief remedies such as sports tape, kinesiology tape, elbow sleeves, elbow braces, or elbow straps to reduce pain during the exercise. However, if the pain is chronic, severe, or causes sharp pain during chest fly, it's best to treat the underlying cause of the pain before resuming physical training.
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All variations of the chest fly have the potential to trigger or aggravate elbow pain, but cable fly (or resistance band fly) is better for avoiding such pain. Here's why:
Firstly, performing chest flys with a resistance band or cable machine allows you to modify the position of your arm and the angle of your elbow to minimize extension of the forearm, thereby reducing pressure on the inside part of your elbow.
Secondly, the cable machine enables you to increase the weights (in smaller increments) and vary the speed of your reps to make the exercise more challenging or easier. Lastly, the resistance band is less likely to cause injury, as it does not provide the same level of resistance as heavy dumbbells or machine equipment.
In contrast, dumbbell and machine flys are likely to place the forearm muscles and inner elbow tendon in full extension, thereby increasing the chance of overloading, straining, and inflaming the inner elbow tendon. Therefore, if you experience elbow pain during chest fly, the resistance band or cable machine is less likely to trigger or aggravate the pain. Alternatively, you can try other exercises instead of the chest fly (see below).
Since the chest fly, can put excessive tension on the forearm flexors and inner elbow tendon, there are alternative exercises that can minimize tension in these areas and alleviate elbow pain. Here are seven alternatives to chest fly that you can try. Note, you can also try performing partial reps on the negative part of the fly movement, which can further reduce tension on the elbow tendon/joint. Performing partial reps on the negative part of the fly movement means not fully extending the arm back and straightening the elbow out during the exercise.
It's possible to relieve elbow pain from chest flys, by releasing the forearm flexor muscles and triceps muscle and tendon. This can be accomplished by using a myofascial release massage ball. Once the restricted muscles in the forearm and triceps are released, it can alleviate tension on the elbow tendons, allowing them to heal.
Using a combination of post-workout treatments such as RICE therapy (to relieve burning pain), magnesium supplementation (to reduce inflammation), and self-myofascial release (to relieve sharp, shooting, and dull pain), it's possible to treat and heal elbow pain caused by chest flys within 7-10 days. This will require performing self-myofascial release (SMR) on the triceps and forearm muscles at least 2-3 times a day.
However, keep in mind that simply resting the elbow (i.e., taking a break from physical training) might temporarily provide relief, but it will not fix the root cause of the pain (e.g., restricted forearm muscles that overload the inner elbow tendon and cause elbow pain during flys).
As mentioned earlier, chest fly is a safe exercise when performed correctly. However, if you experience elbow pain due to conditions such as golfer's elbow or triceps tendonitis, performing this exercise can worsen the pain.
To minimize elbow pain during flys, consider the following tips:
For more information on stopping, fixing, and preventing elbow pain during chest fly, refer to the FAQs below:
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To stop your elbow from hurting when doing flys, you can either use short-term pain remedies that provide temporary relief or fix the root cause of the pain to prevent it from recurring.
Short-term pain relief remedies for elbow pain caused by chest flys include joint supplements and vitamins, anti-inflammatory painkillers (NSAIDs), physical therapy, stretching, ice and rest therapy, elbow braces, elbow straps, kinesiology tape, and topical anti-inflammatory solutions (oils and creams). For a detailed explanation, refer to this article.
To permanently cure elbow pain and prevent it from interfering with your workouts, you need to address the root causes of the pain. These include chronic inflammation, magnesium deficiency, and muscle restriction. The TitaniumPhysique Program can help you accomplish this.
The exercises below can help you relieve acute or chronic elbow pain from chest fly, including tennis elbow (outer pain), golfer's elbow (inner pain), or triceps tendonitis (posterior pain). You will need a peanut ball and a lacrosse ball, found on Amazon or your local sporting goods store.
If your elbow pain is acute (causing burning pain after working out), you can place an ice pack on the elbow when you are not using the massage ball. Suppose your elbow pain is chronic (causing dull or achy pain during/after working out). In that case, you can supplement it with magnesium to heal and decalcify the elbow tendons.
Important: Restricted triceps and forearm muscles that cause elbow pain develop over many years, so using the correct treatment techniques for lasting results is necessary.
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Here is how to quickly relieve elbow pain:
To fix tennis elbow, use a peanut ball to massage the forearm extensor muscles (click the link to see photo). Lean against a wall and place the peanut ball on the forearm extensor muscles. Roll out (massage) the muscles with the peanut ball for 3-5 minutes. Stretch the forearm extensor muscles. Perform this routine once a day. Rest the muscle the following day, then repeat the routine. For faster results, perform the exercise twice a day, once in the morning and once at night.
Nurudeen demonstrating how to fix tennis elbow using a peanut ball to massage the forearm extensor muscles
To fix golfer's elbow, use a peanut or lacrosse ball to massage the forearm flexor muscles (click the link to see photo). Sit on a chair next to a table. Place the ball on the table and position your forearm flexor muscles on top of it. Roll out (massage) the muscle with the ball for 3-5 minutes. Stretch the forearm flexor muscles. Perform this routine once a day. Rest the muscle the following day, then repeat the routine. For faster results, perform the exercise twice a day, once in the morning and once at night.
Nurudeen demonstrating how to fix golfer's elbow using a lacrosse ball to massage the forearm flexor muscles.
To fix triceps tendonitis, use a peanut ball to massage the triceps muscle and tendon (see photo below). Sit on a chair next to a table. Place the ball on the table and position your triceps muscle on top of it. Roll out (massage) the triceps muscle and tendon with the ball for 3-5 minutes. Start near your armpit and work down to the triceps tendon, just above the elbow joint. Stretch the triceps muscle. Perform this routine once a day. Rest the muscle the following day, then repeat the routine. For faster results, perform the exercise twice a day, once in the morning and once at night.
Nurudeen demonstrating how to fix triceps tendonitis using a peanut ball to massage the triceps muscles.
Firstly, it's important to note that part of avoiding chronic elbow pain is preventing acute elbow pain. If you start to feel elbow pain during chest flys, use less resistance. If the pain persists, stop the exercise and train another body part that doesn't involve your arm and elbow. Pushing through the pain will intensify the degree of post-workout acute inflammation, worsen the pain symptoms, and prolong the recovery of the elbow.
To avoid and prevent elbow pain during flys, follow these steps:
Incorporate self-myofascial release (SMR) exercises into your recovery routine. Perform SMR on the forearm extensors, forearm flexors, and triceps muscle/tendon at least twice a week to keep the forearms and triceps pliable.
Important - keep in mind that restricted triceps and forearm muscles that cause elbow pain develop over many years. It is necessary to use the correct treatment techniques to get lasting results.
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Written by: Nurudeen Tijani
Nurudeen (aka TJ) is passionate about helping people build the body they desire through weight training. He is a physique and fitness trainer, nutritionist, yoga instructor, vegan natural bodybuilder, National Physique Committee (NPC) competitor, and founder at TitaniumPhysique. Nurudeen is a member of the International Association Study of Pain (IASP) and the American Chronic Pain Association (ACPA).